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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:02 am

Kuro, before you really order it, check if your case fits the video card. HP cases are usually pretty compacted.

Any Nvidia 200 to 400 series are approx. 12" long and takes up 2 PCI spaces in thickness.
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:09 am

My rig for those who want a reference building a new PC, there are better stuff out there now also.

Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 64-bit OEM
ASUS P6T Deluxe V2
Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz
EVGA GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi) Superclocked 1GB
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
OCZ Vertex Series 60G 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD103UJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive x2
CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply
Thermaltake V9 VJ40001W2Z Black 0.8mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Razer Barracuda AC-1 Gaming Audio Card
Razer Barracuda HP-1 Gaming Headphones
Dell UltraSharp U2410 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor (1920x1200)
ASUS VK246H Glossy Black 24" 2ms Widescreen LCD Monitor (1920x1080)

Plenty of room to upgrade my computer, list of stuff i want to do at this point.
- Upgrade my memory to 12 GB
- Upgrade video card from 465 GTX to 470 GTX
- Upgrade the case (it's too damn loud with all the fans)

Highly recommended a Solid State Drive, thing will boot up Windows 7 in under 25 seconds and every applications runs very fast/smooth. I can provide a guide on how to tweak SSD with Windows 7 if anyone happens to install one also.

With this setup I ended up turning paging files off (Virtual Memory), this way everything is cache between CPU and Memory, no delay. Another trick to boost VM speed is to set paging files on a separate physical hard drive that is not your primary drive.
Those using WinXP should be aware the memory allocation limitations is 4 GB, any more you would need a 64-bit operating system.
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:35 am



bro's pc its only 7 months old. Supposed to have a better video card, but that better 1 keep on crashing the pc so changed to a weaker one
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 18, 2010 6:49 pm

I got my 2k score with the ATI Radeon HD 3870 I used in the example and that was 99 dollars when I bought it. came out the same time the dual version came out.

you might want to consider newegg.com. For an actual retailer I do like Fry's great prices imo.
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:00 am

With eyefinity 3x 24'' monitors, and programs open,
I got 4518 on the 1920x1080 benchmark.
only using a single 5870 at the moment, second isn't plugged in, crossfire was mucking up.

Anyways, Screenie:

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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:16 am



slightly oced vram.

oh and Takk, Seeming your in Australia, its probably cheaper to get it shipped from Australia.

search C48G on ebay and have a look at the listings (Me/RL Friend's PC business) =]
Theres upgrades available too, and they're brand new, only used to install windows =P.
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:28 am

Accually, heres a link =P
http://myworld.ebay.com.au/c48g/
I can't find an edit button? o.o;
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:53 pm

Wow the PC's you're selling are way above my budget Lol.

I see you use the Antec Twelve Hundred case, I thought of getting that...but...can you turn off those damn Blue Lights? I think it would get annoying after a while if you can't.

What are the reasons why you choose Radeon cards in your base configuration instead of Geforce.
Likewise for the Power supply HW650 Corsair over a TX650 Corsair. Is there much of a difference in quality to pay more for the HW?

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Here's the new PC I'm getting;

ASUS P6X58D-E ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core i7-930 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
EVGA GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 768-P3-1360-TR Video Card
OCZ Agility 2 OCZSSD2-2AGTE60G 2.5" MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory
Silverstone Raven RV02 Case
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W

All of the parts are coming from www.newegg.com


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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:11 am

Well, I'm currently using antec 1200 case, and I love the blue lights, and you are able to turn off the lights for the top fan, but the others, you cannot. If you want to turn them off, you can always cut the thin silver wire from the LED's to the main fan power. =P (besides, the fans aren't that bright, I had to add 4 cold cathodes to get my whole room glowing blue Very Happy)

But the antec 1200 has to be one of the best air cooled cases, along with the HAF-X. ;]

We use Radeon because radeon has higher performance for price than Nvidia. (self tested)
For example, my 5870 beat angela's two 460's performance by double.
And my card was cheaper than the two. besides, with it being only a single card, there is more room for upgrades.
Friend and I tested a gtx470 and a 5870 and the 5870 beat it in every test, Fps, temp, silence.
Overall, I like nvidia better as I have always been happy with their products and their price.
I'd recommend going for a 5850 or 5770 over the gtx460.

As for the powersupplies.
The TX650w isnt as stable as the HW and does not have a high peak wattage.
also! The HW is semi-modular and the TX is not modular at all.
(meaning that if you need more cables you can add plug them in the HW and the TX has a set amount of cables and thats all, if you upgrade and need more cables, you'll need to buy a new psu.)

Instead of going for a i7, if you're looking for price to performance, get a cooler and an i3 or i5 (make sure it has hyper-threading!) and overclock it, the performance would beat a stock i7, and is also quite cheaper.

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(An SSD is nice, but it is not really needed, I would wait for prices to drop, seeming 2x 7200 rpm drives in raid 0 is really fast.)

As for your PC, I recommend looking into this

CPU = Core i3 530 @ 4ghz
GFX = ATI Radeon HD 5850
RAM = Kingston HyperX @ 1600mhz
HDD = 2xSeagate Barracuda 500GB ST3500418AS 7200 RPM IN RAID0
MOBO = Gigabyte P55A-UD4
PSU = Corsair HX650w
COOLER = Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H50
CASE = Seeming you think the blue lights will be annoying, up to you. Razz

We have a listing just like this, we can make downgrades / adjustments too.
oh, and theres Free Postage.

Listing link -> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/4ghz-i3-Gaming-Computer-HD5850-2x500GB-RAID0-4GB_W0QQitemZ140442562614QQihZ004QQcategoryZ179QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#shId
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:36 am

oh, and also,
Radeon has better customer support, and better eyefinity drivers,
(where you can run multiple monitors and the computer thinks its one)
The highest someone has run it without lagging was 9 x 22'' monitors in portait, giving it a conbined res of 9450x1680.
Since then, better graphics cards have come out, and are able to run it higher,
I haven't heard of nvidia users achieving performance that high.
ATI copyrighted the triangle, so nvidia users have to manually measure the bezels for bezel correction, which, is almost impossible.
or they have to manually sit there and muck around with it. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:02 am

Ooooo the PC looks nice but it's a shame I already ordered the parts yesterday already =(

The Core i3 530 @ 4ghz you overclocked that yourself? You recommended me get and i3 or i5 and overclock it, so am I missing something - why can't I overclock the i7. Must be something to it that I'm missing coz im a comp newbie lawl.

Anyway It's a 2 core 4 thread right so like half of the i7 930 4 core 8 thread. That means even though its higher performance for say gaming, it is lower in multitasking right. LIke say if I open up 100 Browser windows of streamed PORN Lol.

Anyway you recommended the Radeon 5850 or 5770 over my GTX 460, I'll look into this, I could still change cards and buy another if its 'that much' better. But as for Angie's benchmark score, it was only 1 card used, it's listed twice because of running dual monitors.

As for the power supply what do you mean when you say the TX doesn't have high peak wattage as the HX?

What do you think of the Silverstone RV02 case anyway, I've seen reviews on the HAF-X and everyone says it's godly apparantly. But the design looks too complicated for a noobie pc user like me, whereas the RV02 has a more user friendly design I think. I would be able to open it and fiddle around without getting a headache! =D But as for the airflow in the two cases etc I wouldn't have a clue.
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:09 am

oh, thats cool, haha

Well, to oc the i7 930, you will need a cooler, seeming it gets a lot hotter, Razz.
the stock cooler wont be able to handle it, and your cpu will overheat,
If you decide to overclock it, I can help out Razz.

ah, it was only one card, haha.
mine was only one card with 3 monitors, in eyefinity, so it thinks its one.
but I still reccomend the 5770 or 5850.

Well, they'd be about the same in performance, only would be able to notice if you were stress testing.

and the powersupply,
I've been told that the HX will go that little bit further, and is more stable, but if you're not looking to upgrade, it will be fine for your parts. Very Happy

Well, my friend has the HAF-X, and its soo sexy, haha,
It has quick release.. well, everything, like drive bays (good for HDDS)



All filters and stuff are removable, room for more fans and graphic card metal supports,


and the Silverstone RV02, it dosen't look like a bad case, haha,
Never heard anything about it though.

If you want serious airflow, I'd go with the HAF-X
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:15 am

TagUrDead wrote:

Well, they'd be about the same in performance, only would be able to notice if you were stress testing.

man, sorry, didn't specify, this was supposed to be for the i3 / i7, but, I wasn't thinking,

You've already bought an i7 which is better, but, an i3 oc'ed with a cooler would be better until you oc the i7 (:

overclocking isn't too easy either, alot of mucking around. :c
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:30 am

TagUrDead wrote:
Well, to oc the i7 930, you will need a cooler, seeming it gets a lot hotter, Razz.
the stock cooler wont be able to handle it, and your cpu will overheat,
If you decide to overclock it, I can help out Razz.

takk, you don't need to overclock i7, it's more than enough processing power. Trust me, don't get into overclocking, it's just not worth the wear/tear vs performance gained unless you go with watercooling.
As for i3, they hits me as the repackaged Core2Duo, no matter how much you overclock, at the end of the day it is still a low end model. Like they said, Lamborghini without gas will still beat a Civic.

TagUrDead wrote:
ah, it was only one card, haha.
mine was only one card with 3 monitors, in eyefinity, so it thinks its one.
but I still reccomend the 5770 or 5850.

Yeah i only run 1 Geforce 465GTX
As for video card comparison, below is a link to benchmarks and prices
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=559&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=6

It all comes down to how much you want to pay for speed, I just prefer Nvidia over ATI.
5850 looks nice and all, but with that price, I rather just buy a 470GTX

TagUrDead wrote:

and the powersupply,
I've been told that the HX will go that little bit further, and is more stable, but if you're not looking to upgrade, it will be fine for your parts.

Well, my friend has the HAF-X, and its soo sexy, haha,
It has quick release.. well, everything, like drive bays (good for HDDS)

All filters and stuff are removable, room for more fans and graphic card metal supports,

and the Silverstone RV02, it dosen't look like a bad case, haha,
Never heard anything about it though.

If you want serious airflow, I'd go with the HAF-X

PSU and Chassis are all user's preference in my opinion.

The Raven RV02 has a unique airflow design, components are mounted vertically to release heat from the top.
I can't see how you can beat the airflow on this thing. As we know, heat rises.


takk, although HAF-X uses conventional airflow design, but it does have a plus side to it since you decided to go with USB 3.0 supported motherboard. It does have 3.0 USB supported front panel.
At that price tag though, you need to compared it to Raven RV01 case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163135&cm_re=raven_case-_-11-163-135-_-Product

Keep in mind, SilverStone will eventually release a separate USB 3.0 front panel that you can upgrade later on.
It'll look something like this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820131010&cm_re=usb_front_panel-_-20-131-010-_-Product
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Tue Aug 24, 2010 2:48 pm

Well,
a stock gtx470 may beat a stock 5850 by around 10%
I don't think this is worth it for the extra power it uses and the amount of heat it gives off, (alot compared to the 5850).
Also, the 5850 can be overclocked to 5870 speeds, 470's cannot overclock that high.
And, you need 3 gtx 470's to do eyefinity, and only one 5850.

With the case, if it was me, I'd find it annoying since the SSD mount is on the back panel (where I shove all of my wires). It also has quick release, drive bays, SSD, HDD's side panels, fan filters. (which makes it easy for cleaning)

If you do decide to get the Raven, becareful of the hole behind the motherboard, as my friend's friend snapped his motherbaord without a backplate from these holes due to wires jammed in the back.
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:11 pm

Lol I just realised using a laptop all my life I've never owned a monitor...hms....time to buy a monitor too. Any recommendations? I was thinking a good cheap 21.5" or 24" monitor.

Some things I had in mind;

Benq G2420HD
Asus VE246H
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:56 am

I think there is only one thing to be concerned with and thats contrast ratios. The rest of the stuff doesn't really matter. like milliseconds in differences and some gimmicky features. I personally recommend samsung. They hold the most affordable high quality monitors imo on the market. They have a lot of things like tru angle etc but what you're looking for is at least 50,000:1 contrast ratio or higher. Make sure the monitor includes a DVI cable also, if not make sure you get one. VGA is just terrible. Razz Almost no, if any, gpus come with vga ports just vga convertors XD.

edit: don't get 21.5 remember they are wide screen all now. you want large like 24 Smile
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:48 am

K I'm buying a pc too. screw laptops. im just gonna buy two monitors and carry the case back and forth from my house to gf's house like a laptop LOL.
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:51 am

lol Nam


Q, I agree with harima on 24" Samsungs, they are quality stuff.

or this if you can afford it!
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB382LL/A?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY

In any case, stay AWAY from Asus as my secondary monitor is a 24" Asus, it's crap compared to my Dell Ultrasharp 24"
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:29 pm

Well,
I think the most important thing in a monitor would be the bezel size,
Normally it shrinks as monitor quality goes up,
If you're doing eyefinity, go for small bezels, if not,
go for a Samsung monitor, these monitors are really clear.

And with the Cables,
Both gtx470 / 5850 should come with
HDMI, Display port and VGA ports. =P

Don't get the mac, thats way to expensive and overpriced imo,
theres plenty of better, cheaper LED monitors.
If you are looking to spend that much, go for eyefinity if you decided on radeon. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:30 pm

oh, and also,
I like to use this computer site for comparing prices / looking at pictures.

http://www.pccasegear.com/

They also have reviews, stats, ect.
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:32 pm

also, I like this monitor, I use 3 of them for eyefinity

Acer V243HDB
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:37 pm

Put in my order for new PC info below:

Sales Order Date: 8/22/2010 10:09:31 PM

08/24/2010 22:11:00 Verification Successful
08/24/2010 22:11:00 Payment Charged

08/24/2010 20:37:00 ORIGIN SCAN[I] BALDWIN PARK, CA, US
08/25/2010 02:31:00 DEPARTURE SCAN[I] BALDWIN PARK, CA, US
08/25/2010 06:00:00 ARRIVAL SCAN[I] SAN DIEGO, CA, US
08/25/2010 06:38:00 OUT FOR DELIVERY[I] SAN DIEGO, CA, US
08/25/2010 14:14:00 DELIVERED[D] SAN DIEGO, CA, US

Considering I made the order at 10pm on 22nd, let's count it as 23rd. Received products on 25th at 2pm. So that's like err 2 and a half day delivery from when I made the order ^^

Impressed by the speed of their service. Recommend newegg.com =D


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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:21 pm

of course newegg is awesome XD their customer service is good too Razz
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PostSubject: Re: FF14 benchmark   Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:35 pm

New benchmark after I receive my GTX 460 Super-clock Edition today.

Link for takk:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130563

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